Accessible summeries: What we heard: highlights from the 2024 I-Day Panel – Tuesday 3 December 2024
For the UN International Day of People with Disability (I-Day) Advocacy for Inclusion in conjunction with our delivery partners hosted a panel discussion shaped around the theme for I-Day 2024 on leadership as well as the four ACT community themes on voice, power, identity and self-direction.
The panel was chaired by well known ABC TV and radio host Ellen Fanning and included
- Dr Rhonda Galbally AC, former Disability Royal Commissioner
- Sean Fitzgerald, Founder of Consumers in Control and pioneer of self-directed funding in the ACT
- Renée Heaton, Chair of the Disability Reference Group
- Angela Braido, ACT Down Syndrome and Intellectual Disability Reference Group Member
- Kat Reed, Chief Executive Officer, Women with Disabilities ACT
- Craig Wallace, Head of Policy, Advocacy for Inclusion
The panel followed themes of voice, power, identity and self-direction.
What follows are edited highlights from the discussion under each of the themes.
Read and enjoy!
Leadership
The 2024 theme for I-Day proclaimed by the UN is “amplifying the leadership of persons with disabilities for an inclusive and sustainable future”
Q: Why did the disability community here in the ACT lobby so hard to get I-Day into community hands? Why now in the midst of changes like the NDIS reforms?
Craig Wallace
- We chose to focus on this because it’s when we are in difficult times that we need to be seen and present in a range of spaces including cultural spaces.
- Every successful political movement that is thought to liberate people gets there by becoming seen in the culture.
- One of the best proponents of this was Stella Young who passed away 10 years ago today. A serious writer and thinker and knew how to turn the switch.
- What Stella knew instinctively was that cultural dominance was important, but
- it won’t last if you don’t take care of it. Other people can move in and steal it.
- There is kind of a thing we need to own it, not just have people talking about us, but need to be controlling the narrative.
- Secondly, I just always felt, frankly a bit outraged and angry that the one day of the year that was meant to be the disability day was controlled by somebody else.
- So aside from the practical and pragmatic reasons for doing this, I felt offended we were not running our own day.
- If you want to change something, grab a hold of it and do it yourself, I think, that kind of led us here.
Kat Reed
- I think “Nothing About Us, Without Us” has been such a strong chant for the
- community for a very long time.
- Pride itself, and disability pride has been a discussion and part of that, and it has been so central to our movement. It is still an ongoing discussion.
- How we celebrate Pride, what pride means, what terms we use, what is more important it is something that we’re defining for ourselves.
- This is something that our community is, working through and discussing
it with each other. And able put together what it looks like and how we want others to see our pride and it’s such a core part of the move.
- Because for so long disability is something that is seen as unfavourable or derogatory. I think especially now at a time where there is a lot of stressful news happening in the disability space.
- That has been happening for the last couple of years. We have the Disability Royal Commission, the NDIS review.
- It is a hard time, I think, to be a member of the community. But is also a very joyful time as well.
- We don’t get very many opportunities to talk about the joyful stuff. So I think what’s really important we’re now in control of that. We get to say what it is.
- We get to say how we talk about disability, how we talk about our pride and make this a joyful day for us without having it kind of done for us as well.
- That’s why I think it is really important.
Shannon Kolak
- I have spoken with lots of people from our community and spoken to lots of people that I work with. People want events that include and really embrace people with all types of disability including intellectual disability.
- Many events that we have seen in the past our members told us when they have people with intellectual disability they seem to be for kids or for very young people.
- There are plenty of adults with intellectual disability that want to be able to engage with the rest of the community. We need make sure that happens.
- Often in events, they are making assumptions that people with intellectual disabilities, especially complex intellectual disability can’t engage or can’t actually participate alongside everyone else. That’s just not true.
- I think in community hands, with true codesign, people with intellectual disability can help create events that will be inclusive everybody and where people with intellectual disability of all ages can participate alongside the rest of the community.
- This has given us an excellent opportunity to create true inclusion around I-Day in Canberra rather than events that really not everyone can participate in.
- So we’re really excited.
Voice
Q: We have learnt that voice doesn’t mean having power in the social media age when everyone is shouting.
What would it take for people with disability to have real power in Australia and what have we learnt from the Royal Commission about the battle to retain influence?
Rhonda Galbally answers
- I would like to start by acknowledging the importance of international Day in the ACT
- The ACT is the first state or territory to hand over full control to Advocacy for Inclusion for people with disability to design and deliver the content of this international Day.
- This approach to International Day in the ACT is a first step in answering the question about power and influence for people with disability in the ACT.
- To me power for people with disability in Australia relates to:
- Speaking with one voice: this needs every DPO and DRO in the ACT (or in Australia for national impact) to drill down and identify the issues that are non-negotiable – that are absolutely core to achieving human rights for people with disability.
- This requires putting aside differences, competitiveness
- So that a spokesperson (or a small team) can be nominated as the most effective representative/s – allowing them to proceed with the mandate of all Disabled People’s Organisations
- A coalition of DPOs could be formalised with agreed spokesperson
- Establish a longer-term strategy to educate, advocate, negotiate and to recognise that change towards disability rights will need perseverance and determination (never to give up)
- Briefings, briefings, briefings: rolling program of one on one and groups of MPs, bureaucrats, educators, service providers, journalists – one disability rights topic after the other
- Using every method possible for briefings, including podcasting and where effective social media
- Keeping going and celebrating small achievements
Self-direction
Q: Today has been about taking back control and self-direction. This is about much more than how we manage I-Day.
Will technology give people more control of their lives or should we be worried? Why is getting control and self-direction just as important as getting the right quantity of services?
Sean Fitzgerald answers:
On the question of technology
- Without technology, my ability to communicate and to participate in the world would be severely limited.
- I have a background in electronics engineering and computing, that’s where my technology experience brought me into assistive technology which allowed me to get involved with a bunch of people with different disabilities to make sure that they could access the world of computers, telephones, and communicate and participate in the world.
- It’s tremendously empowering to watch people develop skills in computing, on phones, and feel as though they are equal to everybody else as well.
- And as you do that, they also develop confidence and want to participate in events like this.
- The NDIS is supposed to have picked up on all of that. It has done to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the quality of your advisors, occupational therapists and planners.
- So there’s all sorts of gatekeepers now we didn’t have in the past, certainly
the programs that I ran, that limit people’s ability to participate. To be, to gain control of their own lives.
- And that’s a worrying part of the NDIS for me. I think with I-Day, one of the things that we do need to do is making sure that people have a voice and are confident and can go out on a grassroots basis into society, not just on I-Day day, every day of the year, where they can engage with people, engage with society.
- And someone asks you something silly, but no question is silly, you are educating people along the way. There is a great sort of position that organisations like Advocacy for Inclusion can have where we educate folks with a disability to do that in an effective way and not be offended and help break down barriers.
On the question of self-direction
- There’s a theme that has been running for a long time in the disability community “Nothing About Us, Without Us” so that’s definitely part of it.
- When I think of the NADIA project, we had 500 people with a disability input to that. The disability community felt they owned the program.
- The NDIS spent a lot of money on it and we were breaking ground that all of the major IT folks, Microsoft, IBM, around the world were saying you have changed competing with the way you do things.
- And sure enough, that’s what we did. People with a disability did, because we were directing the direction this thing was taking and what we did has spawned a half of a trillion dollar a year industry.
- That’s the chatbot industry. Everybody’s got one.
- People with a disability should understand they did that. That’s an empowering thing in itself.
Voice
Q: Beyond I-Day what needs to happen to build disability voice across the whole civil society including in disability organisations?
Renee Heaton answers:
- Listen – we are still in a place where not enough people listen to people with disability. There is a fair few of us out there and we’ve made our own spaces and platforms – there’s literally thousands of opportunities out there for people to connect with a person with disability.
- Learn – if you care enough to listen then you have to take it as an opportunity to learn. This means you have to unlearn some of the things you thought you knew and recognise there are things you don’t know.
- Build – we have to build the platforms and opportunities for disability voice together.
- In your own organisation
- it is important that there is good leadership – expectation setting
- disability competence and confidence has to be part of the culture and must permeate the entire organization
- valuing difference and diversity as the only way we get to better – if we do same and promote sameness we will only ever do what we’ve been doing and that’s not competitive edge. Continuous improvement is necessary for all organisations and businesses to stay relevant in this world.
Q: How can people with intellectual disability be heard and achieve this voice?
Angela Braido
- I have been to previous I-Day celebrations and they have seemed to focus on physical disability or on younger people with a disability. The last event I went to was full of kids from the special schools and it was advertised as an all-ages event.
- I didn’t see anyone there my age or older at this event. And it left me feeling like this wasn’t for me. I have wanted to see an event with a focus on all disabilities.
- I would like to see myself represented in the activities and celebrations. When you have an intellectual disability, that cannot be seen physically, sometimes it feels like you are misunderstood within the community.
- I would like to ensure that my voice and other people like me can be heard through some type of I-Day celebration or event alongside people with other intellectual disabilities such as Down Syndrome.
- We are all individuals with different abilities. Two people with the same disability, such as an intellectual disability, could have completely different needs and interests. It is important that we recognise this throughout I-Day celebrations and host events that reflect the true community in Canberra.
- Not just people with a physically recognisable disability.
How can we ensure people listen?
- Make sure that the I-Day events are hosted and organised by people with
disability, including people with intellectual disability. And remember “Nothing About Us, Without Us.”
- Teaching the community about people with intellectual disability, communicate in different ways and that’s okay. Not everyone communicates like I do. And there is no need to be scared of people who communicate very differently.
- The sunflower lanyards can be an excellent tool for people with disability to help other members of the community to know that they may need some extra support and patience. We can teach the community about what the sunflower lanyard means and this could help the voice of people with intellectual disability be heard.
- If someone sees the lanyard, maybe they might take some extra time and care to actually listen.
- The lanyard helps to recognise that somebody might have a hidden disability and it shows that they may need some extra support.
- The sunflower lanyard would help us to know one another and understand one another.
Identity
Q: How have our ideas about disability identity changed in your lifetime? Is the future about pride, acceptance, diversity or something else?
Rhonda
Pride in identity:
- Has changed dramatically for me over 76 years
- From denial of disability to rage about treatment of people with disability to perhaps the beginning of pride laced with ambivalence
- Because the truth is that people with disability do not have human rights and are not treated fairly, equitably, or even with respect and civility
- So the present and future of pride has to be based on human rights
- The Convention on the Rights of People with Disability has to be taken seriously in Australia for authentic pride to be possible
- This will require coordinated action from all Disabled People’s Organisations as I have spoken about
- And at the centre should be people with disability living, working and being educated in segregated settings, being abused, deprived and neglected.
- They have to become the focus of our advocacy work for us to be able to be proud of disability identities.
Kat
- I first of started becoming aware of disability politics and aware that I might feel more comfortable identifying with that back in uni.
- My experience of disability is that I definitely have an invisible disability. I was diagnosed as being neurodivergent a bit later on, which is a common experience for femme women with disabilities as women.
- There was a lot of helpful use in using the word disability and describing the things I struggled with through that lens and thinking about it in that lens. Culturally I felt very welcomed.
- However, in upholding the Convention on the Rights of people with Disability is far behind. That combination of feeling like the culture and the community is very accepting and we’re moving to reclamation language and talking about pride, yet we still have so many things to fight for.
Craig
- In terms of identity I’m feeling the need to reflect on what has happened in America and through other kinds of social movements where progressives have not managed to respond to populist themes and where ‘minority’ issues are being sidelined as part of ‘woke’ culture.
- My reflection would be that we do need to try to speak to people where they are including people who might not identify themselves with intersectional movements.
- But they might say, actually, for me, I’m just hurting. I’m in deep deprivation. I’m in the outer western suburbs of Sydney, with no accessible infrastructure or in financial deprivation. The Disability Support Pension and jobseeker are not enough for me to live on. I need our community to start speaking with some of those issues that really matter to people, in language I can relate to. These people also have a voice.
- So it is going to be a real balance. Not everybody will identify as having pride and being a disabled person. But other people do. It is an opportunity to forge forward but never forget the people who are just hurting and just want stuff fixed.